Incidentally, I am sure there are many nuances to the science, and I make no claim to be an expert. Leaders who are ambassadors for Christ can cause crises of faith when they break the 3rd Commandment Thou shall not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain. Which is why the Internet is SATANIC WITCHCRAAAAAFT and their on-lookers are the WITCHES! some Rabbi from Nazareth. I get Im not welcome here. Please join me in praying for WCC, the victims, and the leaders. My potty-mouth made me do it (Mark Driscoll) of Poor Poor Innocent Victim of Wicked Stepmother, then hit the detonator (after those several years of setting the charges) at his own wedding, when he invited her (and the rest of the family). This pastor allowed abuse to continue under his nose and I am going to call him on it. I was extremely uncomfortable with Hybels repeatedly reminding the church he was the one leading the charge to empower women. I think Hybels and Billy Graham lost their beliefs somewhere along the way. My problem with all of this is that I am no fan of or apologist for mega churches or mega stars of any stripe. And, yes, some people dont come forward with their experiences for dozens of years. I fund it demeaning to victims and I dont do demeaning here. Its like a funhouse mirror of the Christianity I used to follow. As Im reading the comments, its becoming evident that theres something horribly wrong with Willow Creek church. Its up to the Willow Creek to distinguish themselves and so far, based on the comments here, they have not. No idea the the Bible says, Do the work of an evangelist! Some of how he came across might also be that to some extent, he too has been a victim of at least some lies and misconstrued intentions. We NEED a full and unbiased accounting. It may not be what everyone wants, even if it is innocent. It took her a long time to get up the courage to say enough was enough. These people have patience for the long con. Though Lynne had intended to become a social worker, she did not hesitate to commit her life to church ministry, convinced that God has given the local church a clear mandate to address the needs of "the whole person in the whole world." just questioning a seeker sensitive approach can bring down a fair amount of push -back , heat, and attacks on your faith So, now the geru of it has resigned, over minor or mad eup attacks?? WTF? Or God is discipling yet another church. The invitation to the first Family Meeting stated in the first paragraph that this group wanted to damage the church and the senior pastor! But she was trying to equate her comraderly relationship with Ortberg the same as women who have come forward concerning hybels Behavior. Not a wise thing to do. 40 years of it. He also told them this parable: Can the blind lead the blind? Even the innocent in Israel lived with the ensuing upheaval. However, just noticed a mega the founding family kids were using as their cash cow, followed by sexual indiscretions. 3434 pant, right? As Bill Hybels learned, there's far more to romantic love than meets the eye. !) called Give Me That Christian Side Hug went near-viral. It works but is it the faith? Some people, educated people, decent people, never talked. Below, what to know about the Bill Hybels scandal. Thanks, Futurist Guy. You see pastor do something and you know its off, but you rationalize it away I mustve misunderstood what was going on. Down the road, you something else, maybe far worse comes up, you think Oh, pastor, hes a little quirky, but he means well. You then experience something genuinely alarming, you think Well, hes an imperfect man, but God uses us all, no ones perfect.. Perhaps its just honest ignorance, perhaps its denial. Alcohol made me do it (Perry Nobel) I am going to assume this women does not know how business is conducted these days. By Thriftbooks.com User, June 15, 2004 This is the greatest study bible that I have seen. Of course, some people, probably many people, will do things just for politeness sake. The invitation to the first Family Meeting stated in the first paragraph that this group wanted to damage the church and the senior pastor! If you want to highlight, in every comment, this is not your blog. Who wants to stir that pot over something potentially ambiguous? - Be an individual. Actually if the pastor or anyone is dealing with confidential matters (e.g., a member of the congregation is having a spiritual crisis or has a kid dying but doesnt want the general congregation to know[think back to the 1980s when many people shunned those with AIDS]) his or her email should be encrypted and his computers hard disk should be encrypted (and any backup encrypted). I do believe that he may have gone through a time of repentance and contrition, as much as he may understand that he needs to, and has come to the other side of it and that is the reason that he may not seem as repentant as they expect. Give me the bellicose jerks any time. Theres theory, and then practise. Bigger news story is the Humbolt bus crash. Or would he start looking for material for making a whip? We can all learn from this and make sure to teach your kids. Hybels was slated to retire from his position at Willow Creek in October 2018; however, he resigned in April 2018 after allegations of sexual misconduct were made against him. He told me he had taken Ambien. That was the exact thought I had while walking the dog this morning! This is Uncharted Territory for them. Oh dear. Lets do church. You are right, the whole situation smells of cover-up. FOUR YEARS!! Dr George Simon Jr a clinical psychologist and writes about character disorder, manipulative personalities and malignant narcissism. Personally I was more offended by Wailing Wall-Satanic ritual connection. It is when people naively do not realize that everyone has an agenda, not to be cynical, that they fail to ask important questions and perform essential (to them!) You also wonder what other people might think of you if you mention it. But, I seriously doubt your using scripture as a club will shame, convince or condemn many here. I thought it was weird when my friends dads would kiss my cheek but I recognized that was a cultural difference really and let it be. After all, there were so many good things that had been done and so many accolades given. Testimony of victims and witnesses is not gossip. I will keep the website updated. That is my point. I hug relatives and near relatives depending on the situation-like somebody is dead. This year in 2018, Bill has been publicly accused of sexual harassment and h e has resigned from the megachurch he and Lynne founded. Nancy Ortbergs post is downright damning, IMO. @ Davis and Natasha: He needs nothing, needs none of us, but He loves us and makes us a part of His plan. To fellowship with other believers? For most organizations, hard questions and analytical thinking is NOT desirable, as it will almost always challenges the official orthodoxy and might even unmask hidden agendas. If you cant trust your pastor who can you trust? Very valuable comment. Membership Covenants Never being offended. If he did nothing wrong, he wouldnt have done it unless you really buy *he did this to save the church* meme. I have seen it for over 20 years. @ Barbara Roberts: Whatever it is, its wrong-headed. This video was shot in and aroundKirkenesand Pas National Park bordering Russia, at 70 degree north and 30 degrees east. You get a time out. You watch a kid in a souped up car on the highway darting in and out at excessive speeds and say I hope he gets picked up.. @ Lea: I assume you mean well. Hybels, the influential founder and pastor willow creek, resigned in april 2018 after 42 years leading the church. Some will walk away all together from their faith journey. The headers which wont be encrypted give info on sender and recipients and dates. Thats what she thinks is comparable? he is still a . Or it could be that he has no civil right so to speak to have his hands on her in the first place and therefore the responsibility to monitor his own behavior is his and not hers. That is not old school. Contemplative Spirituality can be clearly defined this way: Contemplative Spirituality: A belief system that uses ancient mystical practices to induce altered states of consciousness (the silence) and is rooted in mysticism and the occult but often wrapped in Christian terminology. Because it was not entirely clear what happened. Hybels led many. Try as I might, I do not see that sort of response in Scripture. Once, while Mr. Hybels's wife, Lynne, and. Bingo. We sat under their leadership at Willow Creek for several years and were sad when the Ortbergs left to California. A seminary student molested a bunch of boys at my former church. Huge. Was Hybels intimating that The Ambien made me do it?. Bill has been married to Lynn Hybels since 1974. And ironically, asking that question is why. https://cryingoutforjustice.com/2018/03/01/for-professionals-who-work-in-domesic-abuse-dv/. Bill Cosby, no less, but under the umbrella of a church. Nothing brings the True Believer attack dogs out of the woodwork like even the hint of Blasphemy against their REAL god. Again, the new york . * Scripture does not discuss it that way. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FLT3Cb96-Mk. Example, why did you agree in front of everyone to stay after everyone they all left,you idiot. Bill Hybels is a legendary figure in the world of business. Make an Example of one, and a hundred will fall right into line, bleating praises. Couldnt find it on wayback. Theres been so much of this lately that I think (hope!) Thus, this person offering an opinion that things may have been taken wrong in Hybels case is one thing, but offering up details/takes on her say-so on action of J Ortberg putting him in less than a flattering light appears at first blush to potentially be from the wagon-circling camp which in and of itself is why many dont speak out instantly. In some jurisdictions and situations, it may lead to criminal charges for spoliation of evidence or perhaps even tampering of evidence. I highly recommend it, as well as his book, I dont understand the focus by this and other commenters on when did she tell her husband, When I got to his room, Bill had wine opened and waiting. There will always be outrage when the celebrity idols are touched in any way. This is VERY common. Bill Hybels stepped down. One was at the Heidelblog about Tom Chantry and one at the Wee Flea about Iain Campbell, and both bloggers were commanding readers not to gossip, slander, or even form an opinion because we dont know anything, and maybe we dont even WANT to know anything. Same play book. The Devil is destroying yet another church. (Likewise, it seems that women did not have clarity about reportable behaviors and were expected to handle it on their own.). Bill asked her to have me call when I got out. In light of the testimonies of additional women who suffered his unwanted attentions, the only remaining question is how many women were victimized and how long has this been going on. Or they adapted. I find it ironic Jodi thinks she is helping Billy. He would be better for a while, and then get physical again. But it should not be celebrated, as Williams and Dummitt directly stated and indirectly did with continuous praises and accolades. Your boss? Ive learned how to see the tactics of abusers because Ive been listening to the victims of domestic abuse for years, am a survivor of CSA and DV and spiritual abuse myself plus Ive read many of the statements which perps make when their sins are called out and exposed. * This person really taught the Hybels was like Joseph who was thrown into a pit and sold into slavery. In Christian theology, the Devil prefers deception and manipulation and the Long Con, NOT the Direct Frontal Attack you hear these days from Spiritual and Cultural Warriors. Like the invitation sent out to for the Family Meetings, and the actual meetings themselves. But it is even harder when those left behind form a militia to hunt down and fire at anyone who dares to question the paradigm. @ Forrest: Ive been wondering if church leaders with abusive pastors have become convinced (or have convinced themselves) that, 1) Sexual misconduct is somehow rampant among charismatic pastors Listen to yourself, Brad! Hybels was an early god of the mega how to manual. @ Headless Unicorn Guy: There s more news coming out. Number of accusations (so far) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa0EtdtPi8w. And yes, I cuddled our dog as a little girl. Rags to Riches to Rags in three generations. So pastor rock stars are way more dangerous. I saw this in mega churches and just about every secular organization I was in. Honestly, there is a lot of gossip here and on other social media about all this. This stemmed from a Gospel of Personal Salvation and ONLY Personal Salvation (everything else was All Gonna Burn) where the only thing God would ask on J-Day was How Many Souls Did YOU Save? and the numbers in your sales record would be all that determined your position and rank in Heaven. How hard is it for men to keep their hands off women in the work environment? I double dog dare every Creeker to demand to see a detailed budget. You searched for: Author: lynne hybels bill They did, however, write books, and traveled from local church to local church. And once thats done, the only way to survive is to seize the throne Myself. But if you read Jodies clever rant, take ortberg name out of the picture and just think about what the culture was like there. He is the founder of the Willow Creek Association and creator of the Global Leadership Summit . Im particularly disgusted by They said they could look him in the eye and discern if he was telling the truth.. Not one. 3 comments are deleted. The church is now thriving with new leadership, honoring Jesus instead of greedy indiscrete nepotism. Lets pretend we know what we are doing., When someone shows you who they are believe them; the first time. Maya Angelou. But then, Im just The Crazy Kid, and hes always been the Sweet Little Angel. Status? Really? The inner motivations and thoughts of an individual. 1 kiss I am going to ask a hard question. Where is the scribe? Wow!!! Judging Others havent forgotten. He could claim that she was making up her story. Millions of dollars all. I agree/support the various responses to Brad Brucker. (none of them did it in a bothersome way, I just wasnt used to it). The problem is when the church becomes just like the world, when its a big organization with huge budgets and building programs and long-term goals and plans and a big stage with spotlights and a pastor whos a celebrity and whom very few people know, save for the 45 minute public show/motivational speech every week (or far less than every week, if youre Robert The Hairdoo Morris), people have an average drive of 30 miles to the sanctuary and what has been created is so artificial that the church leaders must create these artificial means to patch some fake community thing together so the whole works remains a going concern, what with the bills to pay and all those families dependent on those salaries. People will walk away from Jesus Christ because Billy Hybels is not who they thought he was? The Body does not put its faith in humans, even celebrity ones. I suspect (although I dont know for sure) that a hug creates a higher dose of oxytocin. I got a chuckle out of your comment to Brad. So, I have having network issues, and a IT person is working on my computer. Do you believe it is someone posing as her, or do you think she is in on it? On the surface, an extended hug may seem harmless, even though deep down it creeps you out a little. Once again, power is used to disrespect and mistreat others thereby inflicting invisible but very real, very painful wounds. Nothing really bad happened. Like Jesus, they healed people. It has bearing but perhaps not in the way that Jodi intends. All it would take, with most women is a subtle suggestion that You did come to my hotel room voluntarily or I didnt force you to stay and have a glass of wine to manipulate her into blaming herself for any inappropriate activity and keep her mouth shut. I dont know if you have any experience with megachurch staffs or not. We would have food, beverages, snacks, etc. Really? If he is sincere about his reasons for retiring early, make a very public statement for people to knock it off and let him go away quietly. it takes a very long time to finally look at things as they actually are and admit Pastor is not only not a decent guy, but whether hes aware of it or not, hes likely sold out to the service of hell itself!, When someone shows you who they are believe them; the first time. Maya Angelou, https://jodiwalle.com/openlettertojohnortberg. Once again, you are doing Satans work not Gods. I guess you are not aware of the president for whom Hybels was a spiritual advisor. To all those women that have been psychologically damaged, what a needless tradegy. Such a horror of more revictimization. August 7, 2018. It is the Spirits job to convict and change. My bad. Rather, I think it is their twisted view of both God and humanity. Some will sadly never make the decision to follow Christ. I try to look for the patterns and tactics of the perps and their enablers. At which she would perhaps be really smart to think that she could handle it herself without causing trouble in her marriage. Obviously very biblically ignorant site!! Hugging spouse and kids a lot is good. But at church with people you see week after week? Taught many lies in the churches even to the point where we unknowingly give homage to the devil. You can do a lot more damage with one Suggestion in the right place than a dozen Fireballs. Even as red flag after red flag goes up, we push them aside (btw, I now view red flags as the Holy Spirit calling out Warning, this needs careful thought.). Messy as it might be, this is better I think. Worshipers of men. Bills own admission appears to have been made at a meeting with certain Elders and Willow Creek Association Board members. The Devil is destroying yet another church. Here are some points of summary that I wrote about why this matters: From some of the background reading on this issue, it is clear that digital documents, audio, and video can constitute relevant evidence in any of these legal actions. Dee and Jack know so little. Association of Related Churches As much as many hate reformed doctrine, there is much less of this particular error. My first international trip with Willow Creek as a staff member was to Tasmania. Yeah, right. I teach fraud for a living, you see, developed my universitys curriculum on it and am at this very moment in negotiation with a publisher to develop a textbook on it. Most Pew sitters wont have a clue its going on but the staff is definitely affected. People were being killed, thrown to lions and tarred and set on fire to be torches for for Neros garden parties. Pew sitters paid for these seminars Its called passive aggressive and deflection. I do. The similarities in these womens stories were striking. Used their positions of power to gain access to women who had big dreams i can not think of any good reason the pastor would want that! . Thats only whats been reported. Who would believe any of it if it were not for the Ortbergs? This will sound horrible to some but I never understood the overall hug culture. I was extremely uncomfortable with Hybels repeatedly reminding the church he was the one leading the charge to empower women. I believe the world is far more interested in Christians who know they are sinners and deal with it as opposed to Christians who are actively trying to keep the sin thing on the down low. I realize that what Jodi Walle is saying John Ortberg did is not on the level of what Bill Hybels did, but it still is extremely unbecoming of a pastor of a church to use the F word or comment on the looks of other women. @ dee: I dont think Jesus sees things the same way they do. As I said before, I think people who disbelieve the testimony of victims are the least credible people in these situations. The Devil is destroying yet another church. Exactly. Position? This was a joke which proved how few people at WCC understand sexual harassment. The Body of Christ will be fine. Whatever it is, its wrong-headed. Did her husband ask her not to say anything for FEAR of losing his job? No quid pro quo to substantiate. Lynne Hybels and Bill Hybels have two grown children, Shauna Niequist and Todd Hybels, and one son-in-law, Aaron Niequist.. He is married to Lynne Hybels since 1974. Being gracious, forbearing people who do not want to hold our pastor to the standard of perfection, we persuade ourselves that we misread the situation, misunderstood the words, are making too big a deal of silly things, and so on. @ dee: I believe her account. Because you put so much trust and admire a leader like Hybels, your first instinct is to dismiss anything off about them. Refuse to settle for eloquent lechers. Written in 1999! The question is this: if Jesus came to visit your church, would he jump for joy and say, Yes! (In a related relevant situation, wasnt it the tech department that noticed irregularities with messaging from Tullian Tchividjian to women that directly led to the disclosure of his misconduct?). Read Paul on Mars hill. Her pastor said that her body belonged to her husband and he could do whatever he wanted to do. Most of these people have no clue they are in a thought reform situation until they get very far away from it. People not in the mega inner circle world dont understand it. @ Davis and Natasha: And Pastor/Apostles Passive-Aggressive Attack Dogs (Tsk. The comments from some in the WCC Trebuchet Club has brought this home to me. 4 unwanted extended hugs (thats including Nancy Ortbergs latest revelation). They are evangelized for church. Ummm-not exactly. So, Ive also read it in the Original Languages. Bill has been married to Lynn Hybels since 1974. I come from a family of Russian immigrants on my fathers side. Those of us in the pews and on staff are at fault. They have changed so many lives for the good. The accusations against Hybels come from multiple women, including several former employees who spoke on the record with the Chicago Tribune as a part of a major investigation published in March . I refuse to answer the question How many people have you led to Christ? That question has no place in our discussions, Only in Christianese One-Upmanship My Piles Bigger Than Yours!. Since Hybels resigned, a few of the accusers have stated that they did not want it to come to that. And a pedestal they can fall from and did. And it shall come to pass that, like as I have watched over them to pluck up and to break down and to overthrow and to destroy and to afflict, so will I watch over them to build and to plant, saith Jehovah. (Jeremiah 31:28), @ Davis and Natasha: You are just nailing it. 19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart. 20 Where is the one who is wise? Thanks Clockwork Angel! So, what led to the divorce? More than we know. But, years of playing the great man on stage can be a very powerful armor. You expect typical bad rock star behavior, more likely, because thats the norm. ISBN13: 9780310533719 Release Date: June 1993 Publisher: Zondervan Length: 240 Pages Weight: 0.40 lbs. Thanks Erp that is *very* helpful information! That is where I had to start over. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brothers eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? Im thinking of 2 comments right now from over a year ago in which you reposted comments you attempted to post elsewhere. If youre interested in seeing whether I qualify, you can check out my main blog to see what I write about. Add a spiritual plastic Jesus fish to the scenario above and its 10x easier to manipulate. To fellowship with other believers? I though this was sarcasm but maybe she really was arguing that Bill should have that level of influence on anyone-let alone everyone he was bringing along. yikes! If you arent getting that from family, church and friends might conceivably help meet that need. The Eurythmics. Christ truely cared about the underdog, and did not like religious leaders that abused their positions. Please understand that this is exactly the way it usually happens. They dont feel like telling anyone, just swallow it and hold it in. And some people here are calling your guru to account for apparently not being obedient at all, for being a fraud, a hypocrite. See, here is the problem . Wow!!! Think of the reaction if this had gone to the media and by passed the elders. @ Headless Unicorn Guy: Dave Dummitt This makes my blood boil. Prestige of Willow Creek? Im probably talking to the air, though, because hit-and-run scolds like you seldom have the courage to come back. Is lynne hybels still married to bill The new thing i learned from nancy ortberg's post was that bill has personally. Steve Carter (Hybels hand picked teaching padtor) does not have the best reputation either. We have a problem with people who just do not care, apparently, that theyre engaging in classic rationalization techniques to minimize something that is quite serious. This was not about a long hug. analytical thinking. @ truthseeker00: @ Bridget: Have you read the stories of the great persecutions of the early church. Be at peace. So, if we are all prone to sin, how can anyone come to the faith according to your paradigm? I guess Billy Graham never led anyone to Jesus then. Interesting, as it goes after comments (he said bad words) and some situations, offering a perspective, all engineered to shape the perspective regarding Hybels. I found Jodie Walle comments very interesting, and did help me to understand the culture. @ Thersites: The whole church is in our thoughts and prayers. Hybels, the influential founder and pastor Willow Creek, resigned in April 2018 after 42 years leading the church. I am an infrequent commenter here, but have been following the WW for years. All so sad! But, visa-a-vis Nancys testimony, if things really were so bad and uncomfortable in that hotel room, why the following admittance: On a subsequent conference trip to Hawaii, I went running with Bill and he struck up a conversation about the amnesiac side effects of Ambien. Excuse me? Nothing substitutes for diligent study and wide reading. Ok whats wrong with this picture?? Everyone who is still there from the elders to the lowliest either thinks like this or doesnt dare open their mouth. there was nothing inappropriate about Bill trying to guide your whole self as an up and coming leader. Jan 13, 2018. I dont see how Willow Creek can move forward with the existing board. He pulled me aside and asked me if anything had happened. Are you aware, Mr. Brucker, that you are essentially playing with a full house or a straight flush in the rationalization department? No idea the the Bible says, Do the work of an evangelist! Finally, we are told to have high standards for our teachers. Like the real estate/mortgage broker years ago who the day before the search warrant came down, backed up an industrial shredder van to their office for an all-day shred-everything party. Stop the Nonsense, WCC Trebuchet Club!!!! Still not handled. Ok, So Nancy Ortberg was fondled, hugged, touched. Lets put all our conjecture up about the retracted affair as well. On the surface, an extended hug may seem harmless, even though deep down it creeps you out a little. . It means wearing Gods name like a banner (CHRIST-ian Leader) and then doing terribly ungodly things that represent Him poorly. Open Discussion Page. In the meantime, Crossway is still publishing and selling C.J. All the retreats, big brother making sure you attend mid week activities (I know of some megas that were playing around with a card swipe for staff to make sure they were attending services and staying), the need to be cool, your personal assistants doing your clothes shopping, etc, etc. I pray every day for you-know-who to be able to find a way out of teaching which did not result in poverty. Mary, you judge day in and day out. On a subsequent conference trip to Hawaii, I went running with Bill and he struck up a conversation about the amnesiac side effects of Ambien. When we overlook this, we open doors for people like pedophiles and other predators to enter the church and carry out their dark deeds. Is there love afte. BTW, one of the drawbacks with the current format is we dont even see recent comments from older threads. RE got to talking about guys grabbing a boobie feel with side hugs; she thinks it is pretty ubiquitous in the male population. 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