So he went down and bought this gun brand new. I've witnessed first hand what a 180 grain bullet fired from 300 Savage does to an elk's chest organs at 225 yards or so. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. I have a friend who is a well known Archer and business owner. So, if youre looking for a cartridge that can provide better performance, then 300 Savage is the way to go. Most don't think of 4198 as anything but a 222 or reduced big bore powder. No handloading yet, but I will find out how it goes in the fullness of time. That is over 90 years ago, math fans. The 300 Savage is also cheaper to buy and reload than the 308 Winchester. The next pic shows three 150-grain, .300 cartridges with the Superformance on the right. One a "Texas heart shot" that was recovered (rare with Barnes) in the neck. Ron Spomer No, 300 Savage is not the same as 300 blackout. In the case of the Winchester, +95 fps, and +130 fps over the Remington. Employees and agents of Publishers Development Corp. are not eligible. About the same reason why people prefer the 300 winchester magnum over the 308 norma magnum. Winners must respond within 30 days of receiving notification or an alternate winner will be selected. For these reasons, the 300 Savage is a better choice for many shooters, especially those who are new to shooting or reloading. I used it to take my first Alaskan Bull Moose when I was 12 years old. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. I had an accurate .300 Savage 99 with a factory aperture sight. Contest void where prohibited by law. This is useful performance. Acquired a Savage Model 20 in 300 Sav and its a gem. 300 Savage is a rimless, bottlenecked rifle cartridge developed by Winchester Repeating Arms Company in 1920. No substitutions or transfers to third parties allowed. The Savage 99 lever action had reached the limit of leverage for smooth operation in a lever action rifle. In terms of accuracy, both cartridges are very accurate. (I) Giveaway ends December 31, 2022. The Woodsmaster's Origins With the 150-grain bullets, the Savage 99 rifle is very accuratedelivering 2 moa or less with these combinations. At that point the argument was killing power. (II) Limit one (1) entry per household; multiple entries will disqualify entrants. Simon Winchester. The fix was simple: blunt, but ballistically inefficient, bullets. Indiana Department of Natural Resources, State Agency: of energy. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. The ballistic performance of the two cartridges is very similar. The old 300 Savage 99 was grand dads gun. Reviews. Florida Fish & Wildlife Conservation Commission, State Agency: Velocity in the neighborhood of 2500fps, depending on the gun. Factory warranties may apply in some cases. With the now discontinued Alliant RL-12 powder, I easily achieve 2700fps with superb accuracy! But there remained a major impedimenttubular magazines. Mag. All entries must be received by giveaway end date. EBay oddly has lots of .300 savage parts. Feel free to reach out to us or read our affiliate disclosure and privacy policy. I have my reloading dies and before I start, thought I'd see if there is any concensus on a .300 Savage load that just seems to work in most rifles. A Lever Action .30-30 Winchester is Still One of the Best Deer Hunting Rifles (And Heres Why). However, convinced of the merits of his rifle, Savage reconfigured it for sportsmen. This rifle was given to me when I was 12 and has been my primary deer rifle ever since. I dared not move. Winners must respond within 30 days of receiving notification or an alternate winner will be selected. This might be on account of the short neck, which requires that heavier bullets protrude into the powder space, but Ken found no significant difficulties with the cartridge in his work. Rhode Island Department of Fish & Wildlife, State Agency: Note the red polymer tip of that bullet. Articles may contain affiliate links which enable us to share in the revenue of any purchases made. Factory warranties may apply in some cases. It fit in the stock under the action. 3) stated that some experts find the round to be a difficult reloading proposition. Most factory ammo is capped with 300-grain bullets running a top muzzle velocity of 2,200 fps in strong, modern actions. (III) Giveaway winner(s) chosen by random drawing. The 1899-F saddle-ring carbine was a hit. You find 36 loads in caliber .300 Savage with Sierra Bullets bullets either below or in our load database by clicking the 'Matching Loads' button above. (III) Giveaway winner(s) chosen by random drawing. To protect the privacy and security of winners, names will not be made public. Prizes will not be awarded if illegal in jurisdiction of winners. Factory warranties may apply in some cases. Among these is an early Savage rifle that is the model for the modern Kimber bolt action. It has enough power to take down a deer at long range, but it is also relatively inexpensive. A few years ago Hornady updated the lever action scene with the LEVERevolution (Ref. Rem brass and Fed210M primers and OAL of 2.600. The .300 Savage was intended as a cartridge that would work through medium-length actions and deliver ballistics similar to the .30-06. At last an elk! Ive since acquired many different rifles of my own but that rifle is near and dear to my heart. No purchase necessary. This is a great all purpose round,easy to shoot and very accurate. Lever Action Rifle Sponsored: Henry Repeating Arms, Blackpowder Mortar & Cannon by Seacoast Artillery, Hand Loading Rifles & Handguns by Diamond K Brass, Bolt Action Rifles Sponsored by Camera Land. The stock looks a little dry, but Im afraid to touch it Im afraid it my devalue it. Once, I borrowed a 99 in Canadas far north to hunt caribou. My 50-some year old edition is in very good condition with a perfect bore. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. USN, 10 Jul 1969 - 6 Dec 1973. The lever gun was invented for simplicity sake. Connecticut Department of Energy & Environmental Protection, State Agency: Barrel contours had letter designations A for round, B for octagonal, C for half-octagonal. But not in tubular magazine lever actions. One proper shot from the chamber could unleash a chain reaction in the magazine. Loads from 120 to 170 grain are possible and in the heaver bullet weights and out to 150 to 200 yards bear and Elk can be and have been taken for years It was modified and became the .308. . And that nearly obsolete .300 Savage? The 300 Savage is typically more accurate than the 308 Winchester at long range, but both are more than adequate for most hunting and target shooting situations. With cartridge weight between the hands, balance was unaffected by cartridge count, shown in a window. Developed and introduced by Savage Arms Co. for the Model 99 lever-action rifle in 1920, the .300 Savage was later chambered in Savage's models 20 and 40 bolt-actions. The M99 rifle that handled them had no external hammer. This is because it uses less powder and produces less recoil. Deployed military should use stateside address. Hunters combined the two, so today its the .30/30 Winchester. They know theyre not going to play at 250 yards and beyond, so which 150-yard lever-action cartridge is going to bring home the bacon? The thing even has the original sling and Bushnell scope on it. In 1903 the .25-35, .32-40 and .38-55 filled out the cartridge roster. Factory loads are offered in 150 and 180 grain bullet weights. .300 Savage || .308 | 190gr | Sierra HP MatchKing. Winners will be notified by certified mail on official letterhead. Vermont Fish & Wildlife Department, State Agency: Montana Fish, Wildlife & Parks, State Agency: The cartridge was developed shortly after World War I. Americans were happy with lever action rifles but wanted something more powerful than the .30-30 or the .303 Savage. Velocities are the averages of 10 shots clocked 12 feet from the muzzle with a Oehler Model 33 chronograph. I treasure my 99s and my bolt action. It is over kill for some ( like east coast )but then again is there such . - Thomas Jefferson. I'm so fond of the .300 Savage that I own four of them. The .270 produced smaller groups at 200yds probably due to the 4.5x14x40 VXIII scope as opposed to the 2x7x32. Regardless, 300 Savage in a Savage 99 is an excellent choice I have three 99s in 300 Savage and one in 308 Winchester. (IV) Winners must undergo a background check (if required) and comply with all other federal, state and local laws. Factory loads are offered in 150 and 180 grain bullet weights. Box 488, Escondido, CA 92033. The great debate between hunters and target shooters has raged on for years, with each side claiming that their choice is the more powerful round. This pristine Savage would soon have a salt-water finish, its steel patched by rust, its walnut scarred by ice, sled dog claws and canoe gunwales. It quickly gained popularity among hunters for its versatility and power. The 300 Savage has a slightly higher velocity and energy than the 308 Winchester, but the difference is not significant. Barrel Length : 24". They appeared with barrels of 20 to 28. All entries must be received by giveaway end date. Quite accurate thought the trigger isnt all you could hope for and takes some special attention when hunting. Blackpowder Mortar & Cannon by Seacoast Artillery, Hand Loading Rifles & Handguns by Diamond K Brass, Bolt Action Rifles Sponsored by Camera Land. Accuracy at 100,200, and 300 yards with a 9 Tscott, I find the ballistics on the 150gr are considerably better and do just as much damage to the deer that I have shot ( 8 deer, 3 with 180grain and 5 with 150gr) I would like to know what I should expect for accuracy at , 100, 200, and 300 yards BTW, I have a 3x9 busnell on it. Handloaders can work with bullets as heavy as 500 grains for increased momentum and penetration, but well stick with factory loads for this comparison, a 300-grain round nose at 1,400 to 1,800 fps. The small number of groups fired did not indicate that the Superformance was more accurate than the Winchester or Remington loads; they gave comparable results. To protect the privacy and security of winners, names will not be made public. One new load for an old cartridge probably does not constitute a rebirth. But there is deeper water here so hang on while I dip my big toe in the fascinating stream of American firearms history, usage, and marketing. The company also touted the '99's accuracy, gracing its 1903 catalog with a 10-shot, 100-yard group 1-5/16 across. I have a Remington 722 in .300 Savage that was my grandfathers that he bought in 1949. A forum community dedicated to the great outdoors and hunting enthusiasts. Maine Department of Inland Fisheries & Wildlife, State Agency: 8th Edition, Hornady Manufacturing Co., Grand Island, Nebraska, 2010. p. 471. A 180-grain round-nose Remington Core-Lokt trundled out the muzzle at 2,370 fps. Very accurate meaning all would shoot five shot .5 MOA groups with hand loads and all of them would shoot the Federal Fusion 165g factory ammunition as well or better than any hand load I could make. Any given gun is able to make a certain distance shot bases on it's accuracy and stopping power. In the M99, the .300 Savage sold to the walls and remained the rifles most potent chambering for 30 years. It is wise to full length resize cases to be used in Savage 99 rifles, as this action locks at the rear and allows some case stretch. So, which one is better? Im looking to sell my 300 savage by Im not sure how to go about it! No substitutions or transfers to third parties allowed. Wyoming Game & Fish Department, State Agency: Second Media Inc., 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. 300 winchester magnum is more available. The U.S. military adopted the .45/70 as its official service cartridge three years before General Custer and his 7th Cavalry used it at the Battle of the Little Bighorn. A look at this classic leveraction rifle and cartridge, the Savage Model 99 and the 300 Savage cartridge. A 1953 Savage Model 99EG, a 1949 Remington Model 722, a Remington Model 700 from 2003, and a Remington Model 7600 pump from 2003. Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation, State Agency: Now, if you really need to, you may resize and trim .308 Winchester brass into the .300 Savage. Box 488, Escondido, CA 92033. Kentucky Department of Fish & Wildlife Resources, State Agency: No Savage Model 99? The .300 Savage case is quite modern in appearance. Extreme Spread, 92 fps; Standard Deviation, 30 fps. West Virginia Division of Natural Resources, State Agency: I caution that the leaves are all down here at ATOTT headquarters, and I do not know how many good range days remain this year. I was handed down this 1968 99E and I wanted to know the maximum capabilities of this rifle. The venerable .30/30 actually started life as the .30 Winchester Center Fire, a .30-caliber pushed by 30-grains of smokeless powder. So, whats the difference between these two popular cartridges? Lets see what we uncover among these three lever-action rounds. On the other hand, the straight case and the sharp shoulder should minimize problems due to lengthening and case life. Similarly, the .30/.30 is thought of as the ultimate lever gun load. The 6th edition of the Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading shows that their 150 grain bullets can be driven to a MV of 2300 fps by 36.5 grains of IMR 4064 powder, or to a MV of 2800 fps by a maximum charge of 44.0 grains of IMR 4064. Who knows maybe one of my grandchildren may want to use it. Prizes will not be awarded if illegal in jurisdiction of winners. In the 60ls I had a 99 in .284 Win. 300 Blackout, on the other hand, is a rebated rimless pistol cartridge developed in 2010 by Advanced Armament Corporation (AAC). Eye to the aperture sight, I lifted a foot and let it fall to earth. Has given excellent accuracy in several guns over the years. Hunters who embrace the convenient length, shape, and rapid-fire function of lever actions argue more about punch than precision or reach. My grandma would get a few white tail every year with a 300 savage, Ive never seen any information on it until now though. However, some hunters find that the recoil of the 308 Winchester can be too much for them. The 300 Savage is a very powerful round, especially for its size. Here are some specifications of interest to reloaders: bullet diameter .308", maximum COL 2.600", maximum case length 1.871", MAP 46,000 cup. More On the Savage Super Sporter .30-30; A Winchester Model 54 in .30 WCF; The Savage Model 1920 Bolt Action Rifle in .300 Savage; Deer Ammo for the .30-30 Winchester; No. This evolved into the popular M99 that stayed in production for 100 years. What other "gems" does your friend freely give out? Not that Id bought into the myth only magnums upend elk. This load seems pretty accurate and has a very consistent muzzle velocity which usually indicates an accurate load. (II) Limit one (1) entry per household; multiple entries will disqualify entrants. I have found that proper feed and function in this high power lever action demands this extra care compared to a bolt-action rifle. [] .300 Savage Cartridge and Savage 99 Rifle The Forgotten .30 [], Your email address will not be published. State Agency: The last 300 Savage that I put together was one-half of a matched pair of Remington Seven parts guns, one in 250-3000 and one in 300 Savage, both using 700 Classic take-off barrels trimmed back to 21" to get a neutral balance with a Leupold 2-7x33 installed. So, which one should you choose? This model is a .300 Savage, which is a dandy round that outclasses the .30 Remington and .30-30 cartridges. It didnt exactly shine. Two reasons: they almost always chamber it in a fully modern, strong action in which they can safely load heavier 405- to 500-grain bullets as fast as 1,600 fps to churn up 2,400 to 2,800 f-p muzzle energy. I was out of almosts. As soon as his chest cleared the tree, I fired. Friend has killed 3 Elk in a 308. If you need a round that can be loaded into other magazines, then the 308 Winchester is the better choice. 270 vs 308 vs 30-06: Comparing Rifle Cartridge Ballistics, This div height required for enabling the sticky sidebar, 2022 Yestactical.com We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. - Thomas Jefferson. Sadly even if this were an option most of you would still vote Republican because "It's a two party system.". Ken Waters, Pet Loads for the .300 Savage, Ken Waters Pet Loads, 6th Edn., Wolfe Publishing Co., Inc. Prescott, Arizona 1998. p. 281, 4. So, which round is more powerful? The Savage 99 is a classic rifle. While .300 Savage brass is much more difficult to come by, all of the components used in the .308 Winchester may be used in the .300 Savage. if you would email me some pics? 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