358 norma mag is a rarer bird but as I understand fire forming 300 win mag brass an easy way to feed it. The .300 Rem. from my E.R. There are specialized situations where close shots are the norm, but most often, the ideal elk rifle should have enough versatility for shots out to 300 yards and change. In addition, for stopping the big predators of the world, it's hard to beat a suitable .35 caliber rifle. The .45-70 is another very popular cartridge. The .35 Whelen fires a larger .358 bullet and is therefore right at the cusp of being a big game caliber and is capable of handling everything except . I believe in quality optics, but quality and magnification are not synonymous. Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING magazine, Kevin Steele is at the Steiner Optics booth with Alberto Corbetta to discuss the Predator 4 and Predator 8. The .358 Norma Mag. Kevin Steele, Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING talks with JJ Reich of HEVI-Shot about the new offerings for 2023. As Ive said, I like mediums, such as the unpopular 8mm Remington Magnum and the faster .33s. They have almost all abandoned the cartridge. The .358 Norma can be loaded down to duplicate the performance of either of the two smaller cartridges. The "U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, Model of 1903," better-known as the M1903 Springfield, has become one of the most popular U.S. military small arms to collect. compare 338/06 vs 338 win, and 35 whelen vs 358 norma vs 358 alaskan (stw) loaded to same pressure. Can't really imagine one cartridge doing anything the other couldn't, though the availability of bigger bullets and way more factory ammo (if wanted) are definite pluses for the Mauser. Mag. lbs. That does not mean that any gunsmith who had his own ideas about velocity and accuracy might not include it or go completely the other way. Maybe it's a regular BDL? A medium variable in the 3-9X or 2.5-10X range should be enough scope for elk hunting. That load actually produced 2825 f.p.s. This new model featured two new cartridges, the .350 Rem. My .375 H&H seemed quite adequate. Its a great gun for moose and elk, bear and boar, and for bison as well. As it turned out, having a great punch was not enough for either one. Maybe I'll just get a 375 H+H instead of going the Norma route. The .35 Whelen is a powerful medium-bore rifle cartridge that does not require a magnum action or a magnum bolt-face. And Barnes makes a 200-grain TSX bullet designed for this cartridge that, when handloaded to 2850 f.p.s., allows the .350 Rem. The norma would cost more if I had to open the bolt face. Sometimes you get a point-blank shot; other times you need to stretch it a bit farther. has been offered in just about every rifle action type ever conceived and a few handguns. Blocker Outdoors Finisher gloves, headcovers and other accessories are available in Mossy Oak Bottomland and Mossy Oak Obsession NWTF camouflage patterns to match various turkey hunting terrain. We owe a debt of gratitude to the engineers at the British firm of Holland & Holland; though it is lost to history who exactly designed the belted magnum cartridge, the .275 and .375 Holland & Holland Magnums were game changers. Thanks for any thoughts. Thinking of a medium bore with a bit of thump.9.3 x 62 holds some exotic mystique for me being its use on African large game but I am thinking realistically .366 cant be that much of an advantage over .358 can it? The Hornady Superformance load for the .35 Whelen launches a 200-grain bullet at a blistering. As a "stopper" for use on dangerous game the .358 Norma is clearly superior to the .300 Magnums. For more specialized uses, Speer makes a 180-grain flatpoint (semispitzer)that, with reduced loads, turns the .358 Norma Magnum into a pussycat for recoil but is easily capable of handling game such as black bears and white-tailed deer out to 250 yards or so. The experimentation with the H&H cases, first by Weatherby and later by Winchester and Remington, certainly changed the way we hunted and made our purchases; magnum mania definitely took root. That being said, with much wider availability, and the higher . in an 8.5 pound rifle, is comparable to the much more popular but less effective (on CXP3 class game) .300 Weatherby or .300 Remington Ultra Magnums. .35 caliber rifle cartridges have been around practically forever without ever really becoming popular. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Bertram Brass from Australia is a good source when you can get it, and Quality Cartridge makes a run of .350 Rigby every few years, but you could be waiting a considerable amount of time. Hunting Shack 358NORMA2N Game King 358 Norma 225 gr Sierra GameKing Spitzer Boat-Tail - 20rd Box. These include some of my favorites, such as the .358 Winchester and .45-70. Also, many of these hunters have the luxury of a long season close to home. Compare the .308 Winchester and the .358 Winchester, which are based on the same case, and the .358 wins hands down. I have one, and I like it a lot. The M700 has been a popular action for building a rifle in .358 STA, a wildcat based on the 8mm Remington Magnum. If we compare the .300 Win. As it was released in the first century of the . Yet, that bore diameter produces some of the best hunting cartridges available. The .25 Rem., .30 Rem. It shoots well and is light and easy to carry while hunting. This is basically a deer and black bear (CXP2 class game) cartridge, although it is reputed to be superior to cartridges in the .30-30 class for game weighing over about 400 pounds. The guide professed to be dumbstruck: I never saw a nilgai knocked down like that, he said, And we use some big rifles here!. Size aside, American elk are very tough creatures. The .358 Norma Magnum, like the .358 Shooting Times Alaskan, generates a considerable amount of energy, but due to the caliber restrictions for dangerous game of most of the African countries, it falls shy of the markthe .375-inch bore is minimum for many countries. I believe it never will. The .358 has 24 percent more energy at the muzzle than the .300 Win. That is quite a few cartridges considering that there is not a single best selling rifle cartridge in the bunch. In the years since, the .35 Rem. The .35 Caliber Cartridge Family(.357 Mag., .35 Remington, .356 Winchester, .358 Winchester, .35 Whelen, .350 Rem. 35 Whelen. The bullet went in behind the near shoulder, struck the far shoulder from the inside, and the blue bull hit the ground with a thud. The 250-grain .358-inch bulletwith a sectional density of 0.279if properly constructed, has enough length to handle the brown bear and bison, and all of the African plains game species, plus lion and leopard. The .350 Magnum has a case length of 2.742 inches, and an overall cartridge length 3.44 inches, so it will feel at home in a magnum-length receiver. Mag. I was used to the 30-06 parent cases (.270, 25-06, etc) so that is what I decided on. The big issue with the .350 Rigby Magnum is the lack of available ammunition. It was predictable that the .356 Win. The .350 can drive a 250 grain bullet to a MV of 2500 fps. I am not into the current long-range fad, especially on powerful animals like elk. The .35 Whelen is a fine elk cartridge. 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Shaw rifles 24-inch barrel. From a 12 twist bore, accuracy sweet spots for light bullets include 2950fps with 180 grain bullets, 2925fps with 200 grain bullets, before normalizing with 225 grain bullets at 2900fps. Kevin Steele stops by the Taurus booth to speak with Cody Osborn about the all new Raging Hunter platform from Taurus International. Campfire 'Bwana. Compare the Queen of the .35's, the .350 Remington Magnum--the original short (.308 length) magnum cartridge--with the new generation of short action magnums. Essentially a .338 Magnum with a bigger mouth, the .358 Norma can push 250-grain bullets faster. R Rocky You know the kind with the locking bolt. exlcusive user. With a 200-grain bullet at 2460 f.p.s., it is a heavy-hitter on whitetails. So are the .350 Remington Magnum and .358 Norma Magnum. I wont go so far as to say thats foolish, but theres a major difference in size and toughness between a cow or spike and a mature bull. Layne Simpson did an article on the comparison of the two and it was reprinted in Big Bore Rifles and Cartridge ISBN 1-879356-00-7. This was not the factory bullet from the 1960s, with its mild-steel jacket, but a later one. If the .350 Rigby Magnum was effective in the golden era of safari, modern premium bullet designs will make it even better. The .358 Norma Mag. Re: 35 whelen vs 358 norma mag vs 9.3 x 62, Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. They can take their time and pick their shots. It is, as you say, a thumper. I will go with the 35 Whelen BUT 9.3x62 will be cool due that you already have a 350 Rem mag, if you're opening the bolt face the 358 STA better option than Norma and 338-06 could be a nice choice too. The classic .350 Rigby Magnum load pushes a .358-inch diameter 225-grain bullet to a muzzle velocity of 2625 fps for 3,440 ft.-lbs. the problem in this debate is we are crossing over in calibres, which means thrust on different sized pistons. The 25-degree, 30-minute shoulder gives plenty of room for powder, and though the neck of the .358 Norma measures less than the desired one-caliberit comes in at 0.328-inchthere is plenty of neck tension to hold the bullets in place without the need for crimping. Your at the old delema again: does 200 fps matter to the deer. In any mass-production rifle, either the .375 or .338, or both, will be found as a standard chambering. Lyman lists 47 different moulds that were available at one time or another, ranging in bullet weight from 70 to 282 grains. Another vote for something different.The 358 STA would be the one. Remington loads a 200-grain PSP Core-Lokt bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2775 f.p.s. The only rifles I can find in production are from Nosler, Remington and CVA. Since lack of a gas seal in a low-pressure load is more of a nuisance than a danger, it can be ignored if you dont mind the soot. The .350 Rigby Magnum is, in the words of veteran Professional Hunter Robin Hurt, a perfect caliber to hunt lion and leopard. With a few exceptions, most African countries require a minimum of .375-caliber cartridges for thick-skinned dangerous game like Cape buffalo and elephant, and that makes sense in most instances. No matter if its books, art or hunting cartridges, its only those with a deep understanding of the subject who can fully understand the greatness often buried in obscurity. That 225-grain bullet has a sectional density (SD) value of 0.251, a bit light for what is normally considered to be appropriate for dangerous game. Theres more to success than merely landing a good one on the chin. Trust me, you could do worse, but youll be hard-pressed to do better! Of course, not all .35-caliber cartridges approach greatness. The recent introduction of a Hornady LeverEvolution factory load for the .35 Remington has usefully improved its ballistics. The .35 Win., .35 Newton and .350 Griffin & Howe Mag. Federal loads the 225-grain Trophy Bonded Bear Claw bullet with a muzzle velocity of 2600 f.p.s. Why the public abandoned it so quickly is a mystery to me. As a result of all this activity, .358-inch diameter jacketed rifle bullets are available in a wide range of weights and styles, from 150-grain semipointed to 200- grain roundnose, all the way up to 310 grains for the heaviest game. The quest for an acceptable .35 has inspired such impotent wastes as the .35 Winchester Self Loader, once labeled a candidate for the title: Worlds Most Useless Center-Fire Rifle Cartridge.. Either of the other two cartridges mentioned will work just fine also. From left: (1) .35 Remington, (2) .358 Winchester and (3) .358 Norma Magnum. In a letter written to friend Townsend Whelen during early 1920s, Leslie Simpson-- one of the first Americans to become a professional hunter in Africa--opined that the hunting world needed a .35 caliber cartridge . Compare practically any small bore cartridge (.32 caliber or less) with a .35 caliber cartridge of similar powder capacity and the result is pretty much the same. There are many good choices, and shot placement is more important than case dimensions and bullet diameter. With the 250-grain bullet, it's better than the .30-06 on heavy game at close ranges. With todays interest in long-range shooting, big scopes are in, but powerful scopes add weight. It is a good choice for shooters who are very sensitive to recoil, since its free recoil energy is only about 4.5 ft. lbs. Mag. The .358 is vastly underated as the Whelen. An elk is bigger than anything most deer hunters have encountered, but theres still a variance; a cow for the freezer isnt much bigger than a very large deer, but a mature bull elk is different. Loved by gun guys and rejected by the huddled masses, this is perhaps the most underappreciated cartridge of them all. Like most of the children of the Holland & Holland parents, the .358 Norma uses its shoulder for headspacing, rather than the belt, as do the .375 and .300 H&H. Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. So are the .350 Remington Magnum and .358 Norma Magnum. Its often thought that if they had it would have gained popularity over the .338 Win. I rely on Roberson Cartridge Company out of Texas for projects like these, and their .350 Rigby brass is wonderfully uniform and properly headstamped. Why cant we love the .35? All rights reserved. But perhaps youre not after thick-skinned dangerous game. While the Colt Model 601 was the first AR-15 to be mass-produced, there were several design variations that came before during the platform's development. Is the .358 Norma Magnum a cartridge destined to make a huge comeback? Out of stock View Details . They include both the AccuBond and the Partition 225-grain bullets with a muzzle velocity of 2800 f.p.s. The .308 Winchester is a fine elk cartridge, and the grand old .30-06, with a bit more velocity and energy, is better. It was an 03 Springfield action, unknown barrel, very nice piece of wood, all the fancy metal work done (custom trigger, side safety ala Rem 700, cocking knob and safety removed, milled floorplate, forged bolt, speedloader slots removed, D&T'd ,polished and blued). Publisher, Kevin Steele is with Brett Marquardt from Streamlight Inc. discussing the new Streamlight Pro Tac 2.0, the latest edition in the Pro Tac series. The barrel is a full 22 inches, like it always should have been, but the foolish design with the huge shark fin front sight turned hunters off, and it was dropped. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. The .358 Win. No, its not exactly easy on the shoulder, but its not terrible either. Of the bullets used, several performed extremely well, including the Bear Claw and a Nosler 250-grain Partition. But the .416 is certainly not the only cartridge to bear the Rigby surname; read the works of Walter Dalrymple Maitland Karamoja Bell, or Col. Jim Corbett and the .275 Rigbybetter known as the 7x57mm Mauserwill get all sorts of praise. .50 BMG. Too bad Ingemar Johansson was not so well equipped. How it would have done on a live animal is impossible to say. Mag. But have owned multiple 9.3s and Whelens. .500 Nitro Express. necked up to .35 caliber. I bought it as a moose rifle but never got drawn in ten years. THe 35 whelen did have a little more power than the 358. and is probably a better deer and black bear cartridge at woods ranges than the more popular .30-30 Win. Normas original spec sheet for the .358 Norma Magnum when it was released in 1959 indicated the cartridges ballistics. At 300 yds., the .358 Norma impacts only 0.96" lower than the .300 Win. It can work in close or at a distance or dazzle you with footwork. Nosler offers the .350 Rem. Elk hunting can be extremely physicalnot only steep country, but also altitude and sometimes deep snow to buck. Far more alternatives, in fact, than exist in several more popular caliber families.
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